Posts by Fred Franztone

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Forget the Christian Doom and Gloom Messages - Does the evidence show the humans are better or worse off?

by fulltimestudent in

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what does the evidence show?.

"...two distinguished scholars have tried to introduce a little reality into the debate about the world's trajectory.

swedish intellectual johan norberg and harvard university's steven pinker provide a persuasive antidote to the apocalyptical school of journalism.

Fred Franztone

Humans are better off than ever, but the planet isn't. Thanks to humans bettering life for themselves, the earth is undergoing pollution, habitat loss, ecological collapse, mass extinction and climate change at a faster rate than at any point in the close to one billion years that animal life has existed. The rate is higher and in the next few centuries the scale may too transpire to be higher.

We are not yet anywhere close to the level of mass extinction that the planet suffered through 250 million years ago or even 65 million years ago, but whereas those extinctions took a couple million years to play out fully, the current mass extinction will occur over mere centuries, many orders of magnitude quicker, which will have dire ecological & climatological consequences.

The earth will recover eventually, only to then be wiped out when the sun dies of course, but for now we are on the cusp of a difficult few millennia for the planet and its inhabitants, and humanity will not be exempt. It's only a matter of time till the human population levels off and then begins to shrink, it will happen, nothing lasts forever.

Unfortunately for the Christians and Jehovians hoping to be saved, God is a mythical character, so they are out of luck.

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Hi, all...I'm a faithful JW who is sick of lies about us

by James Donalds in

i was baptized 30 years ago and have been in the faith for over 35 years.. our organization isn't perfect.

but i'm sick to death of seeing stereotypes about us.

we are not mindless automatons.

Fred Franztone

What a dipshit.

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Name A Problem That Nationalism Has Solved

by Fred Franztone in

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are there any?.

Fred Franztone

Are there any?

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Strange

by Jrjw in

a couple of times at the meetings this year we've been told that in the future we might get some strange directions from the society that might not make any sense to us.

then they've said will we show our loyalty to jehovah by still obeying?

seems a rather unusual thing to say.

Fred Franztone

Maybe they'll start worshipping Jesus, that'd be pretty weird for 'true Christians', wouldn't it.

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2005 Big Announcement (Disappointment)

by Fred Franztone in

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i remember around 2005, there was an announcement made from the platform that in a few weeks time we would have to remain at the end of the sunday meeting for a big announcement, directly from the society.. i remember all the murmuring, people thought maybe this was going to be related to armageddon.

everyone was excited, people were speculating.

only the po in each congregation had any idea what was going on, and they were frequently pestered for information, but sworn to secrecy, which only hyped things up even more.. then the meeting came, anticipation was in the air, the announcement started, you could hear a pin drop.

Fred Franztone

Supposedly there's a big announcement coming in 2019, the biggest ever? Is this this true? Any idea what it is? I'm thinking probably a new brochure.

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

Fred Franztone

Where are you getting that from? That's not true in the slightest. The only state in which that's remotely true is California, and even there it's only rape if there's no verbal consent. With verbal consent it's not rape, even when drunk. Outside of California it's not de facto rape to have sex when drunk.

Rape is sex without consent, and consent is not compromised every time someone gets merry. To even suggest that the law makes no distinction between an equally drunk couple having sex and a sober man raping an inebriated women is just absurd.

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Question

by poopie in

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if i text my disfelowshupp daughter and it's a normal text do i go to gehenna?.

Fred Franztone

I'm not sure, which network are you with?

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2005 Big Announcement (Disappointment)

by Fred Franztone in

jw
friends

i remember around 2005, there was an announcement made from the platform that in a few weeks time we would have to remain at the end of the sunday meeting for a big announcement, directly from the society.. i remember all the murmuring, people thought maybe this was going to be related to armageddon.

everyone was excited, people were speculating.

only the po in each congregation had any idea what was going on, and they were frequently pestered for information, but sworn to secrecy, which only hyped things up even more.. then the meeting came, anticipation was in the air, the announcement started, you could hear a pin drop.

Fred Franztone

???

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

Fred Franztone

That's exactly what I was saying! How can you not see that? You've misinterpreted me, I was saying that not all drunk sex is rape, not that no drunk sex is rape. Surely you understand.

Again, I wasn't responding to the initial post, and you know that, please don't twist my words. I was responding ONLY to the statement that drunk people can't consent. No distinction was made between passed out drunk people and tipsy people and that's what I was pointing out. It's as if it were being said that couples in a relationship can't even have drunk sex, or that all drunken one night stands are rape.

If a distinction had been made then I wouldn't have commented because I agree that there is a difference, that was entirely my point. I was the one pointing out the distinction, not denying it. I was saying that JWundubbed couldn't see the distinction or at least wasn't being clear about it. If it's wrong to make no distinction in one direction, then it's wrong to make no distinction in the other direction also, I'm sure we agree on this.

And please don't accuse me of being a potential rapist, which is what you were essentially doing at the end of your post.

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

Fred Franztone

Jwundubbed simply said drunk, with no clarification. And don't strawman what I was saying, that's obviously not the agenda I meant, I mean the one that suggests for example that people need to start using silly apps to confirm their consent and stuff like that, because all 'drunk' sex is obviously rape unless proven otherwise.